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	<title>Comments on: Rush Limbaugh &amp; Charlton Heston: The Vanity and Arrogance of Earth Day, Global Warming, and Climate Change</title>
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		<title>By: dooley adcroft</title>
		<link>http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/04/23/rush-limbaugh-charlton-heston-the-vanity-and-arrogance-of-earth-day-global-warming-and-climate-change/comment-page-1/#comment-4046</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, thank you for posting my first comment, it is refreshing that you chose not to censor me for disagreeing with you.

I don’t believe I accused you of rejecting evolution or of believing the earth is relatively young, but if you look at polling data, can you really deny that members of the Republican Party are
 a) more likely to reject anthropogenic climate change than say members of the Democratic Party or Independents
 b) are more likely to embrace a view that the earth is thousands not billions of years old;
 c) and are more likely to support creationism than Dems or Independents

Remember the ranks of the Republic Party (and Conservatism) are swollen with evangelical Christians.  In other words, a large percentage of the people who agree with you in rejecting anthropogenic global warming do not have a very good track record when it comes to thinking about scientific issues.

Would you agree?

Second, being able to have an effect on climate and being able to control the weather are not the same thing at all.  You personally may not be able to build a house, but I’m confident you could burn one down.  

You undermine your argument with questions like: “Why do areas have drought?”  Surely you must be aware that drought is a deficiency in water supply and that modern farming practices can and do manipulate the land (sometimes for good, sometimes for ill) to make the land farmable or help turn it into a region where drought prevails (google “Dust Bowl” for a history lesson on this).

Do you also reject that lead in gasoline and paint have a damaging effect on the mental development of children?  How about CFC’s, do you believe that their production and relaease damages the ozone layer?

Do you doubt that if humans exploded tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, that it would have a dramatic effect on the planet?

You give the human race too little credit.

As to Mr. Limbaugh, you’re wrong about my not having listened to him.  I’ve listened to him hundreds of times.  The first time I listened to him was the first time I heard him lie.  That lie was:  “there’s no such thing as date rape, it’s boy meets girl”

His most oft repeated lie is “only the rich pay taxes.”  You can find that lie right on his website.

One of the most recent lies I’ve heard is: “there’s not a shred of evidence to support global warming”.  Even if you reject it, it is a bold faced lie to say there is not a shred of evidence.

The market sometimes rewards people who harm society.  You can get rich purifying water or selling pornography.  The market does not, necessarily financially reward those who contribute the most, protecting the county in uniform pays a small fraction of one percent of what telling lies on the radio can bring.

Do you find it at all ironical that Rush Limbaugh, the de facto head of the Republican Party is a thrice divorced, drug addict?

Don’t outsource your thinking to Rush, you have a mind, use it.

And surely you must be joking about “31,000 respected scientists”.  Who respects them and why?  The plurality of them have a BS or less, which stands for more than just a bachelor of science.  How many of them have Ph D in a field related to climate science?  If any unemployed loser living in his parent’s basement, who claims to have a BS of any kind from any where can add their name to this list of “respected scientists” what is it worth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, thank you for posting my first comment, it is refreshing that you chose not to censor me for disagreeing with you.</p>
<p>I don’t believe I accused you of rejecting evolution or of believing the earth is relatively young, but if you look at polling data, can you really deny that members of the Republican Party are<br />
 a) more likely to reject anthropogenic climate change than say members of the Democratic Party or Independents<br />
 b) are more likely to embrace a view that the earth is thousands not billions of years old;<br />
 c) and are more likely to support creationism than Dems or Independents</p>
<p>Remember the ranks of the Republic Party (and Conservatism) are swollen with evangelical Christians.  In other words, a large percentage of the people who agree with you in rejecting anthropogenic global warming do not have a very good track record when it comes to thinking about scientific issues.</p>
<p>Would you agree?</p>
<p>Second, being able to have an effect on climate and being able to control the weather are not the same thing at all.  You personally may not be able to build a house, but I’m confident you could burn one down.  </p>
<p>You undermine your argument with questions like: “Why do areas have drought?”  Surely you must be aware that drought is a deficiency in water supply and that modern farming practices can and do manipulate the land (sometimes for good, sometimes for ill) to make the land farmable or help turn it into a region where drought prevails (google “Dust Bowl” for a history lesson on this).</p>
<p>Do you also reject that lead in gasoline and paint have a damaging effect on the mental development of children?  How about CFC’s, do you believe that their production and relaease damages the ozone layer?</p>
<p>Do you doubt that if humans exploded tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, that it would have a dramatic effect on the planet?</p>
<p>You give the human race too little credit.</p>
<p>As to Mr. Limbaugh, you’re wrong about my not having listened to him.  I’ve listened to him hundreds of times.  The first time I listened to him was the first time I heard him lie.  That lie was:  “there’s no such thing as date rape, it’s boy meets girl”</p>
<p>His most oft repeated lie is “only the rich pay taxes.”  You can find that lie right on his website.</p>
<p>One of the most recent lies I’ve heard is: “there’s not a shred of evidence to support global warming”.  Even if you reject it, it is a bold faced lie to say there is not a shred of evidence.</p>
<p>The market sometimes rewards people who harm society.  You can get rich purifying water or selling pornography.  The market does not, necessarily financially reward those who contribute the most, protecting the county in uniform pays a small fraction of one percent of what telling lies on the radio can bring.</p>
<p>Do you find it at all ironical that Rush Limbaugh, the de facto head of the Republican Party is a thrice divorced, drug addict?</p>
<p>Don’t outsource your thinking to Rush, you have a mind, use it.</p>
<p>And surely you must be joking about “31,000 respected scientists”.  Who respects them and why?  The plurality of them have a BS or less, which stands for more than just a bachelor of science.  How many of them have Ph D in a field related to climate science?  If any unemployed loser living in his parent’s basement, who claims to have a BS of any kind from any where can add their name to this list of “respected scientists” what is it worth?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your first paragraph is puzzling. I do not reject evolution, do not reject that the climate of Earth has changed over millions of years (like a swinging pendulum), but I do reject that the human race can impact climate. If that were indeed true, why do areas have drought? Why do areas get hit with devastating hurricanes or tornadoes? If we can impact climate, then why is it only the very taxable &quot;global warming&quot; kind and not the &quot;global cooling&quot; kind of climate change. With impacting comes an assumption, even the tiniest, of control. It&#039;s laughable that people think we have that kind of power... we don&#039;t.

Since ten million-plus people, including myself, listen to Rush Limbaugh frequently, would you please cite just a couple of the many lies you say he has told? If I am indeed &quot;a fool in a trap,&quot; your words of caution are empty if you cannot supply a few examples. Or, we may just think your accusations are as trustworthy as those of Nancy Pelosi saying that the CIA told her lies, heaven forbid (they&#039;ve asked for proof, just like I&#039;m asking you for proof - crickets chirping). You obviously have not listened ever (or much) to Rush: the topics on each show is taken straight from headlines news and then gives his opinion on what he spotlights. How does one lie about what is in the headline news? How does someone lie about their opinion?

I&#039;m pretty confident that the liberal trolls who listen to his show on behalf of the DNC would make mincemeat of him in the press if he were telling any lies at all. Don&#039;t you think the Democrat party and MSM are keeping close tabs on all conservative talk radio hosts, hoping to pounce on any of them and publicly humiliate them should they ever lie? So, any time you want to supply that list of &quot;Rush Limbaugh lies,&quot; I will be delighted, although surprised, to see it. 

Yes, Rush has made a fortune, not from telling lies, as you are quick to state (although, again, please supply us with just a few of those lies that he&#039;s told - should be easy, since you say he&#039;s told so many). He&#039;s made a fortune from his high listenership, a case of supply and demand, the free market at its finest. His salary is comparable to that of the above-average sports figure, Tom Cruise, or Simon Cowell. You make it sound like being paid what the market is willing to pay a person is something to be despised. Sounds like a socialist mentality, actually... Also, since Rush owns the EIB radio network, from that salary, he pays his license fees, broadcast charges, employees&#039; salaries, etc. So his take-home pay is much less. But yes, you&#039;re right, he still earns a handsome sum... just like every successful person in entertainment does. Why does that bother you so much?

I think most people do not reject the concept of climate change. I think most reject the arrogant nonsense that man is big enough to have impacted climate change. And 31,000 respected scientists think so, too. None of them have said that climate doesn&#039;t change. It appears that you are manipulating language here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your first paragraph is puzzling. I do not reject evolution, do not reject that the climate of Earth has changed over millions of years (like a swinging pendulum), but I do reject that the human race can impact climate. If that were indeed true, why do areas have drought? Why do areas get hit with devastating hurricanes or tornadoes? If we can impact climate, then why is it only the very taxable &#8220;global warming&#8221; kind and not the &#8220;global cooling&#8221; kind of climate change. With impacting comes an assumption, even the tiniest, of control. It&#8217;s laughable that people think we have that kind of power&#8230; we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Since ten million-plus people, including myself, listen to Rush Limbaugh frequently, would you please cite just a couple of the many lies you say he has told? If I am indeed &#8220;a fool in a trap,&#8221; your words of caution are empty if you cannot supply a few examples. Or, we may just think your accusations are as trustworthy as those of Nancy Pelosi saying that the CIA told her lies, heaven forbid (they&#8217;ve asked for proof, just like I&#8217;m asking you for proof &#8211; crickets chirping). You obviously have not listened ever (or much) to Rush: the topics on each show is taken straight from headlines news and then gives his opinion on what he spotlights. How does one lie about what is in the headline news? How does someone lie about their opinion?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty confident that the liberal trolls who listen to his show on behalf of the DNC would make mincemeat of him in the press if he were telling any lies at all. Don&#8217;t you think the Democrat party and MSM are keeping close tabs on all conservative talk radio hosts, hoping to pounce on any of them and publicly humiliate them should they ever lie? So, any time you want to supply that list of &#8220;Rush Limbaugh lies,&#8221; I will be delighted, although surprised, to see it. </p>
<p>Yes, Rush has made a fortune, not from telling lies, as you are quick to state (although, again, please supply us with just a few of those lies that he&#8217;s told &#8211; should be easy, since you say he&#8217;s told so many). He&#8217;s made a fortune from his high listenership, a case of supply and demand, the free market at its finest. His salary is comparable to that of the above-average sports figure, Tom Cruise, or Simon Cowell. You make it sound like being paid what the market is willing to pay a person is something to be despised. Sounds like a socialist mentality, actually&#8230; Also, since Rush owns the EIB radio network, from that salary, he pays his license fees, broadcast charges, employees&#8217; salaries, etc. So his take-home pay is much less. But yes, you&#8217;re right, he still earns a handsome sum&#8230; just like every successful person in entertainment does. Why does that bother you so much?</p>
<p>I think most people do not reject the concept of climate change. I think most reject the arrogant nonsense that man is big enough to have impacted climate change. And 31,000 respected scientists think so, too. None of them have said that climate doesn&#8217;t change. It appears that you are manipulating language here.</p>
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		<title>By: dooley adcroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>dooley adcroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a large overlap between people who reject evolution, believe the earth is thousand of years old (not billions) and reject anthropogenic climate change.  

No reputable climate scientist in the world believes that there has not been a warming trend over the last few decades.  A small percentage believe that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this is caused by humans.

Rush Limbaugh has made a career (and a large fortune) out of telling people lies that they want to hear.  It always saddens me when people succeed in twisting the truth to make a trap for fools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a large overlap between people who reject evolution, believe the earth is thousand of years old (not billions) and reject anthropogenic climate change.  </p>
<p>No reputable climate scientist in the world believes that there has not been a warming trend over the last few decades.  A small percentage believe that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that this is caused by humans.</p>
<p>Rush Limbaugh has made a career (and a large fortune) out of telling people lies that they want to hear.  It always saddens me when people succeed in twisting the truth to make a trap for fools.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;administration&quot;, and the left wing money grabbers, setting up an exchange in Chicago to trade &quot;cap and trade&quot; money should send a signal,
&quot;red flag&quot; to any American that has been paying attention to the internet, conservative talk radio, or conservative TV.

This administration will attempt to pass this bill, and your energy bills will go thru the roof while someone on the Chicago Exchange, hooked up with Obama will make money hand over fist.

This administration is not American, it is the mafia.

Be aware of the guys/girls behind the curtain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;administration&#8221;, and the left wing money grabbers, setting up an exchange in Chicago to trade &#8220;cap and trade&#8221; money should send a signal,<br />
&#8220;red flag&#8221; to any American that has been paying attention to the internet, conservative talk radio, or conservative TV.</p>
<p>This administration will attempt to pass this bill, and your energy bills will go thru the roof while someone on the Chicago Exchange, hooked up with Obama will make money hand over fist.</p>
<p>This administration is not American, it is the mafia.</p>
<p>Be aware of the guys/girls behind the curtain.</p>
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