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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one is suggesting that Medicare be taken away, Rebecca, although Obama has said that benefits WILL be greatly reduced under his ObamaCare system. And let&#039;s face it... Medicare has been bankrupted for years.

As far as Reagan&#039;s &quot;ketchup as a vegetable,&quot; much of it had to do with budgets for school lunches and what school children will and will not eat. Kids typically will not eat vegetables unless someone is hanging over them, so millions of pounds of peas, succotash, beets, spinach, etc. were being dumped into the garbage across the country. The kids, for the most part, were NOT eating the vegetables served, and as I remember, Reagan joked about the ketchup because kids will eat ketchup. I admit, he should not have said that ketchup is a vegetable, because despite the vitamins and antioxidants in tomatoes, no one can eat enough ketchup in one sitting to equal one full vegetable serving. I believe relish was also considered for a bit to be treated as a vegetable. The media went wild and attacked him. Not his most shining moment, but as you left out, that policy was abandoned.

And concerning his Sec. of the Interior&#039;s horrible remark, I don&#039;t see you condemning Pres. Obama because of his Czar of Green Jobs (now gone) Van Jones saying that all Republicans are a**holes, Democrat senators saying that conservatives are &quot;terrorists&quot; and &quot;brownshirts,&quot; Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi saying that dissension is un-American and those who don&#039;t support Obama&#039;s policies are as bad as Nazis or racists. No outcry for what&#039;s happening now, Rebecca, just a few things from several decades ago? Reagan never called Americans names like is happening every week now, he just spoke out against socialism and for free market principles. While Obama has not called anyone these names, he also has not stepped forward and condemned those Democrats who are doing the maligning. NOT ONCE.

What part of breaking up unions are you talking about? I don&#039;t remember unions ever going away. In fact, they are much more insidious today than I can recall from back then. And as far as unions go, while in the early days they had good intentions to help oppressed workers, they drive the price of goods and services way up. Much of the union dues go to line union heads&#039; pockets.

I&#039;m not sure what your point about Ronald Reagan is. He was a remarkable man and an excellent president, although not perfect. He made some mistakes, being human, but ultimately, was responsible for the creation of millions of private sector jobs in America, undoing the economic nightmare brought on by socialist Jimmy Carter and bringing our country back to prosperity, made this world a safer place from Communism, and was instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall.

Reagan&#039;s words against government-run health care are still true today. This administration couldn&#039;t even get Cash for Clunkers done right. I don&#039;t want the clowns in Washington being in charge of my health care. And I don&#039;t want them dismantling our health care insurance system. It is one of the best in the world, although it needs improvement. So, let&#039;s have the government fix the deficit Medicare/Medicaid runs, fix the horrible conditions of government-run health care on Indian reservations, do something about tort reform BEFORE they destroy our health care system. Surveys show that 85 percent of Americans are happy with their health care. I know I am. But I&#039;ll be damned if my family gets fined $1,500 if I choose to not have health care. And I do not want to pay for the health care of illegal aliens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one is suggesting that Medicare be taken away, Rebecca, although Obama has said that benefits WILL be greatly reduced under his ObamaCare system. And let&#8217;s face it&#8230; Medicare has been bankrupted for years.</p>
<p>As far as Reagan&#8217;s &#8220;ketchup as a vegetable,&#8221; much of it had to do with budgets for school lunches and what school children will and will not eat. Kids typically will not eat vegetables unless someone is hanging over them, so millions of pounds of peas, succotash, beets, spinach, etc. were being dumped into the garbage across the country. The kids, for the most part, were NOT eating the vegetables served, and as I remember, Reagan joked about the ketchup because kids will eat ketchup. I admit, he should not have said that ketchup is a vegetable, because despite the vitamins and antioxidants in tomatoes, no one can eat enough ketchup in one sitting to equal one full vegetable serving. I believe relish was also considered for a bit to be treated as a vegetable. The media went wild and attacked him. Not his most shining moment, but as you left out, that policy was abandoned.</p>
<p>And concerning his Sec. of the Interior&#8217;s horrible remark, I don&#8217;t see you condemning Pres. Obama because of his Czar of Green Jobs (now gone) Van Jones saying that all Republicans are a**holes, Democrat senators saying that conservatives are &#8220;terrorists&#8221; and &#8220;brownshirts,&#8221; Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi saying that dissension is un-American and those who don&#8217;t support Obama&#8217;s policies are as bad as Nazis or racists. No outcry for what&#8217;s happening now, Rebecca, just a few things from several decades ago? Reagan never called Americans names like is happening every week now, he just spoke out against socialism and for free market principles. While Obama has not called anyone these names, he also has not stepped forward and condemned those Democrats who are doing the maligning. NOT ONCE.</p>
<p>What part of breaking up unions are you talking about? I don&#8217;t remember unions ever going away. In fact, they are much more insidious today than I can recall from back then. And as far as unions go, while in the early days they had good intentions to help oppressed workers, they drive the price of goods and services way up. Much of the union dues go to line union heads&#8217; pockets.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your point about Ronald Reagan is. He was a remarkable man and an excellent president, although not perfect. He made some mistakes, being human, but ultimately, was responsible for the creation of millions of private sector jobs in America, undoing the economic nightmare brought on by socialist Jimmy Carter and bringing our country back to prosperity, made this world a safer place from Communism, and was instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall.</p>
<p>Reagan&#8217;s words against government-run health care are still true today. This administration couldn&#8217;t even get Cash for Clunkers done right. I don&#8217;t want the clowns in Washington being in charge of my health care. And I don&#8217;t want them dismantling our health care insurance system. It is one of the best in the world, although it needs improvement. So, let&#8217;s have the government fix the deficit Medicare/Medicaid runs, fix the horrible conditions of government-run health care on Indian reservations, do something about tort reform BEFORE they destroy our health care system. Surveys show that 85 percent of Americans are happy with their health care. I know I am. But I&#8217;ll be damned if my family gets fined $1,500 if I choose to not have health care. And I do not want to pay for the health care of illegal aliens.</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebecca ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have heard about Medicare is that those using it do not want it taken away.  I remember Reagen braking up unions, allowiong catsup to be considered a veggie in the free lunch for school children program and his wonderful sec. of the interior who was happy to exploit the planet for Ron&#039;s friends and finally had to be fire for saying &#039;I&#039;ve got one Jew, one black, a woman and a cripple.&quot;
Thanks fo nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have heard about Medicare is that those using it do not want it taken away.  I remember Reagen braking up unions, allowiong catsup to be considered a veggie in the free lunch for school children program and his wonderful sec. of the interior who was happy to exploit the planet for Ron&#8217;s friends and finally had to be fire for saying &#8216;I&#8217;ve got one Jew, one black, a woman and a cripple.&#8221;<br />
Thanks fo nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Greg DeMarco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Greg DeMarco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ronald Reagan was the greatest leader this country has seen since Lincoln.  My only hope for America is that someone will arise to continue the work Reagan began in the same spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald Reagan was the greatest leader this country has seen since Lincoln.  My only hope for America is that someone will arise to continue the work Reagan began in the same spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve made the point exactly. Medicaid and Medicare are BOTH inefficient, and because all of us have had to pay into them all our professional lives, we cannot undo them. We&#039;re essentially stuck. Such is not the case yet with the socialized health care that Obama is proposing. Where the inefficiencies and high costs right now pertaining to just retirees, imagine it increased to ALL Americans. A trillion dollars and it still won&#039;t cover everyone, so rationing will be enforced. Government does not do as well that which the private sector can do. In business, if you&#039;re inefficient, you go out of business. In government, if they are in the red, they increase taxes. There is no accountability.

Pension plans are a perk with large companies. However, with the ever-increasing taxes the government has levied against businesses, with more to come, cuts must be made. Sadly, when push comes to shove, benefits and perks to employees tend to be the first to be slashed. Small businesses have a hard enough time producing a profit, so expecting them to also provide pensions to retirees for 20 or 30 years is unreasonable.

By &quot;brown shirts,&quot; are you referring to the union thugs who beat up and put into the hospital the black conservative in St. Louis? Or the hired Hispanics who were waving signs in favor of ObamaCare, chanting, but when asked what they were protesting, were unable to say what was on their signs, because they could not speak English? They are &quot;mobs for hire.&quot; Until then, the protests were reasonably contained. Now, with Sibelius bringing in &quot;brothers and sisters,&quot; the violence is starting. 

If the government did not tax us already on health care for the elderly, and if people could use all the money they&#039;ve paid into the system to pay, instead, for their own health care, we would not be in this mess. Free markets are skewed when the government tries to manipulate them. It failed with housing, it failed with bailouts. It will fail with health care.

Read the bill. There are many cutbacks on what senior citizens will get, since their &quot;usefulness&quot; as productive tax payers has decreased. You think the system is bad now? I agree... it has many problems. But this new plan is worse. I&#039;ve written about it many times on this blog. Seniors will be denied treatments that they currently can get because socialized health care is a sham. However, illegal aliens will be covered. Anyone who has read the bill will realize how terrible it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve made the point exactly. Medicaid and Medicare are BOTH inefficient, and because all of us have had to pay into them all our professional lives, we cannot undo them. We&#8217;re essentially stuck. Such is not the case yet with the socialized health care that Obama is proposing. Where the inefficiencies and high costs right now pertaining to just retirees, imagine it increased to ALL Americans. A trillion dollars and it still won&#8217;t cover everyone, so rationing will be enforced. Government does not do as well that which the private sector can do. In business, if you&#8217;re inefficient, you go out of business. In government, if they are in the red, they increase taxes. There is no accountability.</p>
<p>Pension plans are a perk with large companies. However, with the ever-increasing taxes the government has levied against businesses, with more to come, cuts must be made. Sadly, when push comes to shove, benefits and perks to employees tend to be the first to be slashed. Small businesses have a hard enough time producing a profit, so expecting them to also provide pensions to retirees for 20 or 30 years is unreasonable.</p>
<p>By &#8220;brown shirts,&#8221; are you referring to the union thugs who beat up and put into the hospital the black conservative in St. Louis? Or the hired Hispanics who were waving signs in favor of ObamaCare, chanting, but when asked what they were protesting, were unable to say what was on their signs, because they could not speak English? They are &#8220;mobs for hire.&#8221; Until then, the protests were reasonably contained. Now, with Sibelius bringing in &#8220;brothers and sisters,&#8221; the violence is starting. </p>
<p>If the government did not tax us already on health care for the elderly, and if people could use all the money they&#8217;ve paid into the system to pay, instead, for their own health care, we would not be in this mess. Free markets are skewed when the government tries to manipulate them. It failed with housing, it failed with bailouts. It will fail with health care.</p>
<p>Read the bill. There are many cutbacks on what senior citizens will get, since their &#8220;usefulness&#8221; as productive tax payers has decreased. You think the system is bad now? I agree&#8230; it has many problems. But this new plan is worse. I&#8217;ve written about it many times on this blog. Seniors will be denied treatments that they currently can get because socialized health care is a sham. However, illegal aliens will be covered. Anyone who has read the bill will realize how terrible it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyful Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyful Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So tell me where have all of the pension plans gone for ordinary americans?    Very few  companies  establish pension plans for their employees anymore.
And how do you think an ordinary working person can save up a hundred thou or more for a cardiac bypass, much less 15 thou for a cardiac cath?  If not for medicare, many seniors would be dying instead of increasing our life spans and remaining productive much longer.
You will have to kill me to take my medicare card away, and I speak for many millions, who, if it is socialized medicine, we are all for it.
And why don&#039;t you folks let the folks who want to ask questions speak at town hall meetings.  Look up the actions of the brown shirts in Germany and tell me who you think act the most like them....the folks who go to ask questions or the folks who go to disrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So tell me where have all of the pension plans gone for ordinary americans?    Very few  companies  establish pension plans for their employees anymore.<br />
And how do you think an ordinary working person can save up a hundred thou or more for a cardiac bypass, much less 15 thou for a cardiac cath?  If not for medicare, many seniors would be dying instead of increasing our life spans and remaining productive much longer.<br />
You will have to kill me to take my medicare card away, and I speak for many millions, who, if it is socialized medicine, we are all for it.<br />
And why don&#8217;t you folks let the folks who want to ask questions speak at town hall meetings.  Look up the actions of the brown shirts in Germany and tell me who you think act the most like them&#8230;.the folks who go to ask questions or the folks who go to disrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder sometimes what will happen if some of biggies in uK go bankrupt like AIG... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder sometimes what will happen if some of biggies in uK go bankrupt like AIG&#8230; ?</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Independence Day! Plus: Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialized Medicine &#171; NObama Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy Independence Day! Plus: Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialized Medicine &#171; NObama Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; text of speech courtesy of Frugal Cafe Blog Zone [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ronald Reagan Gave a Speech About the Evil of Socialized Medicine in 1961. &#124; eransworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald Reagan Gave a Speech About the Evil of Socialized Medicine in 1961. &#124; eransworld</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] I read a blog that mentioned a speech from a former President. I find it interesting that Ronald Reagan in 1961 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How is it working for Cuba and Mexico and other countries where the government runs health care?&quot;

Quite poor, but still probably better than you might think, given the government of the first is pretty close to a dictatorship and the government of the second is caught in a possibly hopeless war against powerful drug cartels.

How is it doing in, say, Japan? Or South Korea? Or European countries other than the UK? I assume it&#039;s just as bad in all of those as the examples you cited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How is it working for Cuba and Mexico and other countries where the government runs health care?&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite poor, but still probably better than you might think, given the government of the first is pretty close to a dictatorship and the government of the second is caught in a possibly hopeless war against powerful drug cartels.</p>
<p>How is it doing in, say, Japan? Or South Korea? Or European countries other than the UK? I assume it&#8217;s just as bad in all of those as the examples you cited.</p>
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