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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cohesive, thoughtful commentary. Thank you for sharing these excellent observations.

As you stated, most people are indeed in favor of frugal, reasonable, responsible efforts to prevent innocent wildlife from being harmed or driven to extinction, &quot;but at what expense?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cohesive, thoughtful commentary. Thank you for sharing these excellent observations.</p>
<p>As you stated, most people are indeed in favor of frugal, reasonable, responsible efforts to prevent innocent wildlife from being harmed or driven to extinction, &#8220;but at what expense?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: VIGILOCANIS</title>
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		<dc:creator>VIGILOCANIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is tougher to get the facts straight on all of the obscure expenditures made by Stimulus Bill administrators than to get the secret sausage recipe from Jimmy Dean. 

An expenditure buried in Florida’s list of shovel ready projects for a $3.4 million Stimulus dollar funded Tallahassee turtle tunnel rose from obscurity when Sen. Tom Coburn issued his top 100 worst Stimulus spending projects. 

Curiosity and interest for more details on the $3.4 million dollar post-dated check written during the Obama spending orgy was intensified by the preposterous comments made by the hyper-passionate proponents of the 3.4 million dollar turtle passageway. 

Government representatives, feeling the heat from the light of public scrutiny after nationwide news reports revealed the turtle tunnel details, have become as articulate as Johnny Cochran in their less-than-accurate defense of the project. 

Taxpayers were subtly told about the  Stimulus project plans, “If the tunnel fits, you must remit.” 

Obvious weakening of public support for the new tunnelbahn, designed specifically to insure safe passage for turtles and frogs from an 1800 lake to 50 acre pond, has public officials shifting their arguments from turtles to public safety as a prime reason for spending the funds. 

Without any documented evidence of a single turtle caused automobile accident report at the site, government representatives have became more creative than Star Trek conventioneers, offering far fetched, anecdotal evidence of the potential dangers to drivers from unfettered turtle forays onto the Tallahassee highway.

One government spokesman employed the use of shocking visual imagery to sway public support by suggesting that collisions with turtles could create flying projectiles that could come crashing through driver’s windshields. 

Adding to turtle crossing folklore, a local county commissioner suggested a nightmare scenario of a driver colliding with a 40 pound turtle, creating in the reader’s mind, the same impact as hitting a Wyoming boulder.  

Emboldened by official pronouncements describing the likelihood of driver impalement by flying snapping turtles and collisions with giant 40 to 50pound turtles the size of manhole covers; green eco-spending zealots added additional animals that might likely choose to avail themselves of  safe passage through the long dark tunnel, which will run under a four lane highway in the highly developed Florida capital. 

Black bear and white tailed deer are said to be planning their  AAA “trip ticket” through the passageway even though the entry point is located next to a liquor store in a highly developed area where the  deer must be secretly housed in lakeside condos.  The popularity of Bambi and Yogi, representing the larger animal travel demographic, is apparently thought to evoke more sympathy from the animal loving public.  Will the Sasquatch be the next critter included in potential tunnel crossing  herd?             

No one doubts that the cars damaging collisions with wildlife are a problem around the country…… but apparently, not at this location.  

Very few people are against reasonable efforts to prevent innocent wildlife , but at what expense? 

 Admirable work by compassionate volunteers resulted in the erection of an inexpensive fabric filter fence for $10,000 or so that effectively stopped the majority of turtle deaths for the last nine years.  But the project is now headed for a $3.4 million dollar Stimulus money subsidy added to the $2.6 million dollars already spent in state and local money, for a total government run  ”makeover” price of $6 million dollars.  “What’s Not To Wear” producers are said to be looking at the “makeover” transition for their season ending episode. 

Rational thinking by most who examine the turtle problem would lead to the logical conclusion that an inexpensive chain link fence would suffice in stopping the turtle carnage, caused by turtle seeking higher grounds to lay their eggs or just traveling from one water body to another as turtles are prone to do, rather than the construction of expensive concrete tunnel infrastructure.  There is already an eight foot tall steel culvert under the road into which a new chain link fence would funnel the critters. 

The turtlebahn is really just an example of the bigger problem that goes on in every community in every state in our country.  The template looks like this: 

Passionate individuals identify problem or perceived problem.

Supporters and volunteers are recruited to address problem.

Support groups and press are enlisted to elevate cause to “cause celebre” status.

Non objective media outlets become underwriters of the cause by supplying free advertising.

Profile of cause is raised from “cause célèbre” to “noble cause”, the minimum threshold level needed to attract politicians seeking to enhance their resumes with “noble cause” experience.

Government funds are sought to finance the cause.

Volunteers, press, and politicians become lobbyists for the funding.

Funding is granted.

Small, effective, and inexpensive volunteer project balloons to giant, inefficient government run program.

Another success for the government “body snatchers”, who, aided by the ” Do Gooders” gang (member from the ranks of ex volunteers), have successfully kidnapped an inexpensive and sucessful volunteer-run enterprise, and replaced it with an expensive, massive government run look-a-like.   In turn, previous voluntary financial support for the enterprise  becomes replaced with funds mandated for the 50% of the taxpayers who pay 97% of all taxes.  The kidnap victim, who had been nurtured by private voluntary acts of kindness, must now look to the hand of  government for its sustenance and must  live in the world of the government gulag,  financed with a Chinese mortgage with a 40%  loan to value ratio.   

Blind support for unreasonable government projects only confirms what critics of government waste intuitively know in the pit of their conservative stomachs; do-gooders like to do a whole “lotta” good when they are using somebody else’s money, especially  Stimulus money.   There is no end to the creative ways they can conjure up to spend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is tougher to get the facts straight on all of the obscure expenditures made by Stimulus Bill administrators than to get the secret sausage recipe from Jimmy Dean. </p>
<p>An expenditure buried in Florida’s list of shovel ready projects for a $3.4 million Stimulus dollar funded Tallahassee turtle tunnel rose from obscurity when Sen. Tom Coburn issued his top 100 worst Stimulus spending projects. </p>
<p>Curiosity and interest for more details on the $3.4 million dollar post-dated check written during the Obama spending orgy was intensified by the preposterous comments made by the hyper-passionate proponents of the 3.4 million dollar turtle passageway. </p>
<p>Government representatives, feeling the heat from the light of public scrutiny after nationwide news reports revealed the turtle tunnel details, have become as articulate as Johnny Cochran in their less-than-accurate defense of the project. </p>
<p>Taxpayers were subtly told about the  Stimulus project plans, “If the tunnel fits, you must remit.” </p>
<p>Obvious weakening of public support for the new tunnelbahn, designed specifically to insure safe passage for turtles and frogs from an 1800 lake to 50 acre pond, has public officials shifting their arguments from turtles to public safety as a prime reason for spending the funds. </p>
<p>Without any documented evidence of a single turtle caused automobile accident report at the site, government representatives have became more creative than Star Trek conventioneers, offering far fetched, anecdotal evidence of the potential dangers to drivers from unfettered turtle forays onto the Tallahassee highway.</p>
<p>One government spokesman employed the use of shocking visual imagery to sway public support by suggesting that collisions with turtles could create flying projectiles that could come crashing through driver’s windshields. </p>
<p>Adding to turtle crossing folklore, a local county commissioner suggested a nightmare scenario of a driver colliding with a 40 pound turtle, creating in the reader’s mind, the same impact as hitting a Wyoming boulder.  </p>
<p>Emboldened by official pronouncements describing the likelihood of driver impalement by flying snapping turtles and collisions with giant 40 to 50pound turtles the size of manhole covers; green eco-spending zealots added additional animals that might likely choose to avail themselves of  safe passage through the long dark tunnel, which will run under a four lane highway in the highly developed Florida capital. </p>
<p>Black bear and white tailed deer are said to be planning their  AAA “trip ticket” through the passageway even though the entry point is located next to a liquor store in a highly developed area where the  deer must be secretly housed in lakeside condos.  The popularity of Bambi and Yogi, representing the larger animal travel demographic, is apparently thought to evoke more sympathy from the animal loving public.  Will the Sasquatch be the next critter included in potential tunnel crossing  herd?             </p>
<p>No one doubts that the cars damaging collisions with wildlife are a problem around the country…… but apparently, not at this location.  </p>
<p>Very few people are against reasonable efforts to prevent innocent wildlife , but at what expense? </p>
<p> Admirable work by compassionate volunteers resulted in the erection of an inexpensive fabric filter fence for $10,000 or so that effectively stopped the majority of turtle deaths for the last nine years.  But the project is now headed for a $3.4 million dollar Stimulus money subsidy added to the $2.6 million dollars already spent in state and local money, for a total government run  ”makeover” price of $6 million dollars.  “What’s Not To Wear” producers are said to be looking at the “makeover” transition for their season ending episode. </p>
<p>Rational thinking by most who examine the turtle problem would lead to the logical conclusion that an inexpensive chain link fence would suffice in stopping the turtle carnage, caused by turtle seeking higher grounds to lay their eggs or just traveling from one water body to another as turtles are prone to do, rather than the construction of expensive concrete tunnel infrastructure.  There is already an eight foot tall steel culvert under the road into which a new chain link fence would funnel the critters. </p>
<p>The turtlebahn is really just an example of the bigger problem that goes on in every community in every state in our country.  The template looks like this: </p>
<p>Passionate individuals identify problem or perceived problem.</p>
<p>Supporters and volunteers are recruited to address problem.</p>
<p>Support groups and press are enlisted to elevate cause to “cause celebre” status.</p>
<p>Non objective media outlets become underwriters of the cause by supplying free advertising.</p>
<p>Profile of cause is raised from “cause célèbre” to “noble cause”, the minimum threshold level needed to attract politicians seeking to enhance their resumes with “noble cause” experience.</p>
<p>Government funds are sought to finance the cause.</p>
<p>Volunteers, press, and politicians become lobbyists for the funding.</p>
<p>Funding is granted.</p>
<p>Small, effective, and inexpensive volunteer project balloons to giant, inefficient government run program.</p>
<p>Another success for the government “body snatchers”, who, aided by the ” Do Gooders” gang (member from the ranks of ex volunteers), have successfully kidnapped an inexpensive and sucessful volunteer-run enterprise, and replaced it with an expensive, massive government run look-a-like.   In turn, previous voluntary financial support for the enterprise  becomes replaced with funds mandated for the 50% of the taxpayers who pay 97% of all taxes.  The kidnap victim, who had been nurtured by private voluntary acts of kindness, must now look to the hand of  government for its sustenance and must  live in the world of the government gulag,  financed with a Chinese mortgage with a 40%  loan to value ratio.   </p>
<p>Blind support for unreasonable government projects only confirms what critics of government waste intuitively know in the pit of their conservative stomachs; do-gooders like to do a whole “lotta” good when they are using somebody else’s money, especially  Stimulus money.   There is no end to the creative ways they can conjure up to spend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reaganite Republican</title>
		<link>http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/07/10/tax-dollars-down-the-dumper-for-turtles-34-million-of-stimulus-money-slotted-for-building-1-turtle-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-6395</link>
		<dc:creator>Reaganite Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Porkulus is a train-wreck- these jobs figures are far worse than the ones the White House warned us about if we DIDN’T pass the bill- so it was passed, and then unemployment soars anyway?

Instead of creating jobs, interest rates were bumped up, the dollar slid… and it didn’t help anybody get any work. Much of this is due to the fact that Obama’s agenda has mortified almost every machine of job-and-growth creation in the country.

The One couldn’t deliver the type of “temporary, targeted, and timely” bill that he promised repeatedly.  And regardless of his image in the MSM, Obama simply lacks the the political stature to control Pelosi and Reid… who hit the trough hard, while bickering like children.

And the lack of GOP co-conspirators exposed Obama politically… this legislation now looks to be a HUGE gamble. And when all this pork-n-welfare fails to generate any real economic gains, the Democrats will face a bloodbath in 2010.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Porkulus is a train-wreck- these jobs figures are far worse than the ones the White House warned us about if we DIDN’T pass the bill- so it was passed, and then unemployment soars anyway?</p>
<p>Instead of creating jobs, interest rates were bumped up, the dollar slid… and it didn’t help anybody get any work. Much of this is due to the fact that Obama’s agenda has mortified almost every machine of job-and-growth creation in the country.</p>
<p>The One couldn’t deliver the type of “temporary, targeted, and timely” bill that he promised repeatedly.  And regardless of his image in the MSM, Obama simply lacks the the political stature to control Pelosi and Reid… who hit the trough hard, while bickering like children.</p>
<p>And the lack of GOP co-conspirators exposed Obama politically… this legislation now looks to be a HUGE gamble. And when all this pork-n-welfare fails to generate any real economic gains, the Democrats will face a bloodbath in 2010.</p>
<p><a href="http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is silly, but I&#039;m not focusing on the President I&#039;m wondering who are the Congress persons in that state that pushed it, through you and I would be suprised if there were some repubicians invovled. As for Sara Palin I think that McCain and his campaign mananger dirtied up her image and I don&#039;t think she&#039;ll ever get it back. As for me they made her into an attack dog for John McCain and it was very ugly. I will never vote for her because of that, but I&#039;m willing to give her a another hearing to change my mind. I&#039;m just being fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is silly, but I&#8217;m not focusing on the President I&#8217;m wondering who are the Congress persons in that state that pushed it, through you and I would be suprised if there were some repubicians invovled. As for Sara Palin I think that McCain and his campaign mananger dirtied up her image and I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;ll ever get it back. As for me they made her into an attack dog for John McCain and it was very ugly. I will never vote for her because of that, but I&#8217;m willing to give her a another hearing to change my mind. I&#8217;m just being fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Marketing Email &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus ...</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet Marketing Email &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus ...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Vicki McClure Davidson added an interesting post on Tax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus &#8230;Here&#8217;s a small excerptTax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus Money Slotted for Building 1 Turtle Tunnel. Posted By Vicki McClure Davidson on July 10, 2009. $3.4 MILLION to build a turtle tunnel is a wasteful use of stimulus money, no matter how cute &#8230;. His dream spending list would include money for highways, roads and bridges, dam-repairs and a larger new homeowner tax credit. Coburn also suggested spending $100 billion to restock the military with supplies. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Vicki McClure Davidson added an interesting post on Tax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus &#8230;Here&#8217;s a small excerptTax Dollars Down the Dumper for Turtles: $3.4 Million of Stimulus Money Slotted for Building 1 Turtle Tunnel. Posted By Vicki McClure Davidson on July 10, 2009. $3.4 MILLION to build a turtle tunnel is a wasteful use of stimulus money, no matter how cute &#8230;. His dream spending list would include money for highways, roads and bridges, dam-repairs and a larger new homeowner tax credit. Coburn also suggested spending $100 billion to restock the military with supplies. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for providing the information - it is not just the GOP who have criticized this project using stimulus money. ABC News and the Los Angeles Times and many other mainstream media also consider it a waste of stimulus money.

It&#039;s good to have information from the &quot;other side of the fence.&quot; Thanks, Ron. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing the information &#8211; it is not just the GOP who have criticized this project using stimulus money. ABC News and the Los Angeles Times and many other mainstream media also consider it a waste of stimulus money.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to have information from the &#8220;other side of the fence.&#8221; Thanks, Ron. <img src='http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ron Silverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Coburn and the GOP have misrepresented the so-called turtle tunnels from the get go. Coburn originally portrayed this project as a 13 foot tunnel. Well, it turns out that the tunnel is 152 feet long. The project actually calls for three tunnels, representing only 6.7% of the overall budget. More importantly, 2 miles of barrier walls will be constructed on each side of a 4-lane divided highway. This highway was built by the feds through the middle of a lake - not any lake but Florida&#039;s only aquatic preserve. The Lake Jackson Ecopassage accomplishes three very important goals: (1) it protects motorists from thousands of animals (not just turtles) moving back and forth over the highway (including 40 pound turtles and 8 foot long alligators); (2) it protects wildlife and rights the wrong that was committed many decades ago when this highway was put through a protected wetlands; and (3) it will create the equivalent of 200 construction-related jobs for a year. This is a great project and it is frustrating to hear the GOP touting this as a boondoggle. At the very least, if you are going to criticize the project, do it based on the real facts - not Coburn&#039;s misinformation as parroted by the LA Times and other media sources. Coburn claimed the project wasn&#039;t shovel ready, wasn&#039;t fully funded, was still in the design phase, etc. All of these assertions are incorrect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Coburn and the GOP have misrepresented the so-called turtle tunnels from the get go. Coburn originally portrayed this project as a 13 foot tunnel. Well, it turns out that the tunnel is 152 feet long. The project actually calls for three tunnels, representing only 6.7% of the overall budget. More importantly, 2 miles of barrier walls will be constructed on each side of a 4-lane divided highway. This highway was built by the feds through the middle of a lake &#8211; not any lake but Florida&#8217;s only aquatic preserve. The Lake Jackson Ecopassage accomplishes three very important goals: (1) it protects motorists from thousands of animals (not just turtles) moving back and forth over the highway (including 40 pound turtles and 8 foot long alligators); (2) it protects wildlife and rights the wrong that was committed many decades ago when this highway was put through a protected wetlands; and (3) it will create the equivalent of 200 construction-related jobs for a year. This is a great project and it is frustrating to hear the GOP touting this as a boondoggle. At the very least, if you are going to criticize the project, do it based on the real facts &#8211; not Coburn&#8217;s misinformation as parroted by the LA Times and other media sources. Coburn claimed the project wasn&#8217;t shovel ready, wasn&#8217;t fully funded, was still in the design phase, etc. All of these assertions are incorrect.</p>
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