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	<title>Comments on: Newest Member of &#8216;Obama Shill Show&#8217;: Meet Roxana Mayer, Town Hall Doctor Liar &amp; *No Surprise* Obama Delegate &amp; Lead Organizer for OfA</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real debate on health care, on real issues? I post 3 - 5 articles daily on a variety of &quot;real issues.&quot; I&#039;ve posted more than 20 pieces on just socialized health care on this blog; I&#039;ve posted many others on socialism, the global warming scam, taxation, government power grabs, ACORN corruption, union thuggery, conservative issues, stimulus and bailout bills, etc. 

Read them and then we can debate. Using this one post as your argument about lack of debate is naive and shows a lack of research follow-through on your part to be sure you&#039;re correct before attacking. Typical lazy liberal tactic, but I&#039;m used to it.

I do not cover in depth Sheila Leavitt in this post; refer to &quot;Liberal Liars &amp; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &amp; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&quot; where she is more front and center.

That piece was more on the issue of dishonesty and the MSM not reporting it unless it was a conservative/Republican who had done the lying (which I believe IS a real issue). Or just attack them for their principles and not for them actually doing anything wrong. Enter &quot;ObamaCare&quot; or &quot;health care&quot; in the search field and you&#039;ll find many, many other posts.

So, if Sheila&#039;s points in support of socialized health care are valid (to you), lying about her current medical background is acceptable? What if she were a conservative and had NOT supported ObamaCare, but in her dissertation, lied about being a doctor? Would that be OK?

Neither would be to me. If someone lies in a job interview about his or her background, yet has the skills to perform the job, guess what? I wouldn&#039;t hire that person. Because lying puts everything else into the &quot;suspicious&quot; and &quot;dishonest&quot; categories. There are plenty of people making valid points on both sides of the health care fence without fabricating or exaggerating their authority or background. If indeed she has an expired medical license from 20-some years ago, all that she needed to say to be honest was that she used to work as a doctor, or something similar. But she didn&#039;t. An expired medical license means she is NOT a doctor, at least until she does what is necessary to be licensed. Doctors are required to attend multiple seminars and courses (usually annually) to keep their credentials up to date and their licenses valid. So she was bold-faced dishonest.

Logic is &quot;dusted&quot; just fine. I noticed you did not cite your source for what you provided on her bio. All of this was regurgitated from the three sources I provided in &quot;Liberal Liars &amp; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &amp; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&quot;. But you left out quite a bit. From what I&#039;ve located and read, there really is no evidence that she actually practiced medicine before her &quot;retirement&quot; 26 years ago. I did find her background in children&#039;s theater and selling realty and Italian houses interesting, though. Anyone can SAY they are a doctor... I see no reputable evidence except her own assorted web pages saying that she is an M.D. What source did you use that proved she is/was a doctor? Apparently, though, she has also been a left-wing activist and really protested heavily against Pres. Bush. No political bias there...

No mention, though, was made by you about Roxana Mayer lying about being a doctor, which was the main focus of this post you commented on. Accidental omission?

If you did read &quot;Liberal Liars &amp; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &amp; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&quot; (and since you attack me for writing about Sheila, which I really didn&#039;t do in this post, it seems illogical that you didn&#039;t read the other), I noticed you made no mention of Joe the Plumber and the butchery of his life by the media... an oversight? These two women have lied about being licensed physicians, and there is no discussion or criticism by the liberal media, but Joe is torn from limb to limb, mocked to high heaven, investigated illegally by government employees, maligned by liberal pundits and journalists. Which, by the way, was the whole point of this post. The hypocrisy of liberals and the MSM.

Your ludicrous &quot;Commie plot&quot; and mothers comment detracted from some of the points you made. Wasn&#039;t necessary, and the overkill was likely meant to be insulting. So, you succeeded on that level. I&#039;m a mother and I used to be an English teacher. Guess what? I would never say I WAS a teacher, even though I used to be one and could again be one. If I said, present-day, that I was a teacher with no further clarification, I&#039;d be just as much a liar as Sheila was. Sheila lied about being a doctor to make others think her opinions were more valid because of her supposed current occupation than the opinions of laypeople. Bogus, deceitful motivation, and it ended up making her look less authoritative and more of a liar.

I don&#039;t expect you to write back, since most liberals &quot;hit and run.&quot; Too many suspicious omissions and straw man arguments... quite disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real debate on health care, on real issues? I post 3 &#8211; 5 articles daily on a variety of &#8220;real issues.&#8221; I&#8217;ve posted more than 20 pieces on just socialized health care on this blog; I&#8217;ve posted many others on socialism, the global warming scam, taxation, government power grabs, ACORN corruption, union thuggery, conservative issues, stimulus and bailout bills, etc. </p>
<p>Read them and then we can debate. Using this one post as your argument about lack of debate is naive and shows a lack of research follow-through on your part to be sure you&#8217;re correct before attacking. Typical lazy liberal tactic, but I&#8217;m used to it.</p>
<p>I do not cover in depth Sheila Leavitt in this post; refer to &#8220;Liberal Liars &#038; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &#038; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&#8221; where she is more front and center.</p>
<p>That piece was more on the issue of dishonesty and the MSM not reporting it unless it was a conservative/Republican who had done the lying (which I believe IS a real issue). Or just attack them for their principles and not for them actually doing anything wrong. Enter &#8220;ObamaCare&#8221; or &#8220;health care&#8221; in the search field and you&#8217;ll find many, many other posts.</p>
<p>So, if Sheila&#8217;s points in support of socialized health care are valid (to you), lying about her current medical background is acceptable? What if she were a conservative and had NOT supported ObamaCare, but in her dissertation, lied about being a doctor? Would that be OK?</p>
<p>Neither would be to me. If someone lies in a job interview about his or her background, yet has the skills to perform the job, guess what? I wouldn&#8217;t hire that person. Because lying puts everything else into the &#8220;suspicious&#8221; and &#8220;dishonest&#8221; categories. There are plenty of people making valid points on both sides of the health care fence without fabricating or exaggerating their authority or background. If indeed she has an expired medical license from 20-some years ago, all that she needed to say to be honest was that she used to work as a doctor, or something similar. But she didn&#8217;t. An expired medical license means she is NOT a doctor, at least until she does what is necessary to be licensed. Doctors are required to attend multiple seminars and courses (usually annually) to keep their credentials up to date and their licenses valid. So she was bold-faced dishonest.</p>
<p>Logic is &#8220;dusted&#8221; just fine. I noticed you did not cite your source for what you provided on her bio. All of this was regurgitated from the three sources I provided in &#8220;Liberal Liars &#038; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &#038; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&#8221;. But you left out quite a bit. From what I&#8217;ve located and read, there really is no evidence that she actually practiced medicine before her &#8220;retirement&#8221; 26 years ago. I did find her background in children&#8217;s theater and selling realty and Italian houses interesting, though. Anyone can SAY they are a doctor&#8230; I see no reputable evidence except her own assorted web pages saying that she is an M.D. What source did you use that proved she is/was a doctor? Apparently, though, she has also been a left-wing activist and really protested heavily against Pres. Bush. No political bias there&#8230;</p>
<p>No mention, though, was made by you about Roxana Mayer lying about being a doctor, which was the main focus of this post you commented on. Accidental omission?</p>
<p>If you did read &#8220;Liberal Liars &#038; Hypocrites: Outpouring of Fake Obama-Bot Doctors &#038; Protesters at Townhalls, MSM Silent… But Attacking Joe the Plumber Was A-OK&#8221; (and since you attack me for writing about Sheila, which I really didn&#8217;t do in this post, it seems illogical that you didn&#8217;t read the other), I noticed you made no mention of Joe the Plumber and the butchery of his life by the media&#8230; an oversight? These two women have lied about being licensed physicians, and there is no discussion or criticism by the liberal media, but Joe is torn from limb to limb, mocked to high heaven, investigated illegally by government employees, maligned by liberal pundits and journalists. Which, by the way, was the whole point of this post. The hypocrisy of liberals and the MSM.</p>
<p>Your ludicrous &#8220;Commie plot&#8221; and mothers comment detracted from some of the points you made. Wasn&#8217;t necessary, and the overkill was likely meant to be insulting. So, you succeeded on that level. I&#8217;m a mother and I used to be an English teacher. Guess what? I would never say I WAS a teacher, even though I used to be one and could again be one. If I said, present-day, that I was a teacher with no further clarification, I&#8217;d be just as much a liar as Sheila was. Sheila lied about being a doctor to make others think her opinions were more valid because of her supposed current occupation than the opinions of laypeople. Bogus, deceitful motivation, and it ended up making her look less authoritative and more of a liar.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect you to write back, since most liberals &#8220;hit and run.&#8221; Too many suspicious omissions and straw man arguments&#8230; quite disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: N Dooley</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newest &quot;fake&quot; is not...fact check- 

Lets have a real debate on the real issues - Dust off your logic and reason for that. And courtesy too. And get the facts straight. Fake doctor = not. Can only licensed physicians have an opinion about health care  in this country?  Because if so, you need to pipe down my friends.

Sheila Leavitt, M.D., University of Rochester (N.Y.) School of Medicine and Dentistry , Class of 1978, Alpha Omega Alpha. Internship at Rochester General and Strong Memorial Hospitals in Rochester NY. Two years as physician at University health service. One year of pathology residency at Brigham and Women&#039;s Hospital in Boston, MA. Not licensed to practice since 1983, when she gave up her medical career to raise children.  

A clear sign of a dedicated, um ...what is that called? Oh yeah, ....mother.  You know, stay at home motherhood, another commie plot? Can only  licensed  physicians have an opinion about health care  in this country?  Then, please go home and take your signs with you.

Right wing pundits have &quot; uncovered&quot; an unlicensed physician. Wow.. 

Does your discovery make her points invalid? Does it prove she is not an MD?  Does your &quot;revelation&quot; show how health care reform is a bad idea? Your side does not even have the real facts about what you are fighting. Here are two quick reality checks:

 A) there is no public option in HR3200 B) there are no &quot;death panels&quot; either  

It is not a debate to endlessly repeat made up facts and ad hominum abusive assertions ( no, I am NOT a lawyer -far from it.  I was on the debate team in public high school)  In all this circus from the right wing there is so little information. In my day conservatives actually had ideas and a manner I could respect. We disagreed but were civil.

Lets have a real debate on the real issues - Dust off your logic and reason for that. And courtesy too. And get the facts straight. Fake doctor = not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newest &#8220;fake&#8221; is not&#8230;fact check- </p>
<p>Lets have a real debate on the real issues &#8211; Dust off your logic and reason for that. And courtesy too. And get the facts straight. Fake doctor = not. Can only licensed physicians have an opinion about health care  in this country?  Because if so, you need to pipe down my friends.</p>
<p>Sheila Leavitt, M.D., University of Rochester (N.Y.) School of Medicine and Dentistry , Class of 1978, Alpha Omega Alpha. Internship at Rochester General and Strong Memorial Hospitals in Rochester NY. Two years as physician at University health service. One year of pathology residency at Brigham and Women&#8217;s Hospital in Boston, MA. Not licensed to practice since 1983, when she gave up her medical career to raise children.  </p>
<p>A clear sign of a dedicated, um &#8230;what is that called? Oh yeah, &#8230;.mother.  You know, stay at home motherhood, another commie plot? Can only  licensed  physicians have an opinion about health care  in this country?  Then, please go home and take your signs with you.</p>
<p>Right wing pundits have &#8221; uncovered&#8221; an unlicensed physician. Wow.. </p>
<p>Does your discovery make her points invalid? Does it prove she is not an MD?  Does your &#8220;revelation&#8221; show how health care reform is a bad idea? Your side does not even have the real facts about what you are fighting. Here are two quick reality checks:</p>
<p> A) there is no public option in HR3200 B) there are no &#8220;death panels&#8221; either  </p>
<p>It is not a debate to endlessly repeat made up facts and ad hominum abusive assertions ( no, I am NOT a lawyer -far from it.  I was on the debate team in public high school)  In all this circus from the right wing there is so little information. In my day conservatives actually had ideas and a manner I could respect. We disagreed but were civil.</p>
<p>Lets have a real debate on the real issues &#8211; Dust off your logic and reason for that. And courtesy too. And get the facts straight. Fake doctor = not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melintexas: although it is laughable they can&#039;t seem to find any &quot;real&quot; taxpayers that don&#039;t have any stake in the game except their love of country and our constitution like the opposition to healthcare; I don&#039;t think SJL remembered her if she had met her (I agree that she probably did), only because of the questions she asked. If I think she knew she was not a doctor she would just have let it go.  Then again, they really think we are that stupid so maybe it&#039;s possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melintexas: although it is laughable they can&#8217;t seem to find any &#8220;real&#8221; taxpayers that don&#8217;t have any stake in the game except their love of country and our constitution like the opposition to healthcare; I don&#8217;t think SJL remembered her if she had met her (I agree that she probably did), only because of the questions she asked. If I think she knew she was not a doctor she would just have let it go.  Then again, they really think we are that stupid so maybe it&#8217;s possible.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We see the desperation of the peurile Left: from the possibly-pedophilic Jesse Griffin (we just don&#039;t know, do we?) to &quot;I play a doctor but I am really a liar&quot; Roxanna Mayer...the Obama agenda is demonstrated to be based on falsehood, innuendo,and outright fraud. The President&#039;s &quot;Let a Thousand Plants Bloom&quot; townhall circus is imploding. Pelosi &amp; Reid accuse half the nation of being &quot;un-American&quot;. And it&#039;s still less than one-year that this community organizer who apparently hates organized communities has been in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We see the desperation of the peurile Left: from the possibly-pedophilic Jesse Griffin (we just don&#8217;t know, do we?) to &#8220;I play a doctor but I am really a liar&#8221; Roxanna Mayer&#8230;the Obama agenda is demonstrated to be based on falsehood, innuendo,and outright fraud. The President&#8217;s &#8220;Let a Thousand Plants Bloom&#8221; townhall circus is imploding. Pelosi &amp; Reid accuse half the nation of being &#8220;un-American&#8221;. And it&#8217;s still less than one-year that this community organizer who apparently hates organized communities has been in office.</p>
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		<title>By: melintexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>melintexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chances that SJL has never met Mrs. Mayer is slim to none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chances that SJL has never met Mrs. Mayer is slim to none.</p>
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