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	<title>Comments on: San Francisco Citizens: Did You Vote for This Extravagant Wi-Fi Installation at SF Bus Stops? (UPDATED: Clear Channel, Bus Stops, &amp; Bike-Share)</title>
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		<title>By: Anibeth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, this may not be related to the current topics discussed on this blog, but my main concern after reading the police blotter, and actually experiencing the violent altercation of two men in the MUNI street car- or was it a bus... and that lead to a fist fight spilling upon me since I was sitting in the rear seat, directly behind them which was something I will never forget.  I might even be more inclined than ever to take the car unless changes are being made to make MUNI safer for passengers who must board the bus and use it for transportation to wherever destination they wish to go. I live not too far from the 45 bus line(41 runs during business rush hours only) and I am very disturbed by the unpleasantry of the MUNI bus atmosphere which tends to be smelly, full of garbage discarded, rude passengers or transits they are called, some of them are so smelly enough that it is extremely revolting. And of course, graffitis. They make even the newest bus look shabby and dirty.  Not to mention spilt food and drinks abound. Having trouble taking it all up?  Maybe a long walk to City Hall to complain might suffice. How about installing armed security guards at every bus to detour unpleasant people who like to make trouble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, this may not be related to the current topics discussed on this blog, but my main concern after reading the police blotter, and actually experiencing the violent altercation of two men in the MUNI street car- or was it a bus&#8230; and that lead to a fist fight spilling upon me since I was sitting in the rear seat, directly behind them which was something I will never forget.  I might even be more inclined than ever to take the car unless changes are being made to make MUNI safer for passengers who must board the bus and use it for transportation to wherever destination they wish to go. I live not too far from the 45 bus line(41 runs during business rush hours only) and I am very disturbed by the unpleasantry of the MUNI bus atmosphere which tends to be smelly, full of garbage discarded, rude passengers or transits they are called, some of them are so smelly enough that it is extremely revolting. And of course, graffitis. They make even the newest bus look shabby and dirty.  Not to mention spilt food and drinks abound. Having trouble taking it all up?  Maybe a long walk to City Hall to complain might suffice. How about installing armed security guards at every bus to detour unpleasant people who like to make trouble?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once, taxpayers may not be taken to the cleaners on this one. However, contracts CAN be re-negotiated, so time will tell. I&#039;ve also been reading about Clear Channel&#039;s responsibility to the city&#039;s bike-share program. This apparently was part of the Wi-Fi bus stop deal. How&#039;s that working out?

No rain gutters? I didn&#039;t know that. Seems like a terrible decision. Ah, well, it NEVER rains in San Francisco, so no worries, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once, taxpayers may not be taken to the cleaners on this one. However, contracts CAN be re-negotiated, so time will tell. I&#8217;ve also been reading about Clear Channel&#8217;s responsibility to the city&#8217;s bike-share program. This apparently was part of the Wi-Fi bus stop deal. How&#8217;s that working out?</p>
<p>No rain gutters? I didn&#8217;t know that. Seems like a terrible decision. Ah, well, it NEVER rains in San Francisco, so no worries, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: njudah</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cost of bus stops is entirely paid for by Clear Channel Media, which is in charge of building and maintaining all the stations. The job was competitively bid by several companies, who by law must maintain them at their cost (not the City&#039;s) and do so over many years.

MUNI has many problems with over-spending and foolish choices, but in this case they pay not a penny for these goofball stops. However, they also don&#039;t have rain gutters so when it rains, you can expect to be soaked if you walk past one. (That was a cost cutting move).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost of bus stops is entirely paid for by Clear Channel Media, which is in charge of building and maintaining all the stations. The job was competitively bid by several companies, who by law must maintain them at their cost (not the City&#8217;s) and do so over many years.</p>
<p>MUNI has many problems with over-spending and foolish choices, but in this case they pay not a penny for these goofball stops. However, they also don&#8217;t have rain gutters so when it rains, you can expect to be soaked if you walk past one. (That was a cost cutting move).</p>
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		<title>By: AFVET</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem!
Boxer and Pelosi will divert money from the rest of U.S. to accomplish whatever the great state of California wants or needs.
These people need to be cleaned out in 2010.
If they&#039;re not up for re-election, at least we can reduce their power.

They have have diverted water from farmers because of a minnow !
They will not drill off-shore, when oil is leaking from the ocean bottom.
They will not cut the scrub out of forests to reduce the intensity of wild fires, that have plagued them for years.

The idiots are in control !

There is no common sense existing in the California government.
The terminator has either conceded or he has bowed down to the liberal dominance thru pressure from the demoncratic party. (no misspelling), say Kennedys.

I would love to see Sarah Palin take on that debacle, however she is much more intelligent than that.
With her knowledge of energy, business, governance, it would be amazing to see what she could do. Hey Reagan did it.

Great post,...always making us think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem!<br />
Boxer and Pelosi will divert money from the rest of U.S. to accomplish whatever the great state of California wants or needs.<br />
These people need to be cleaned out in 2010.<br />
If they&#8217;re not up for re-election, at least we can reduce their power.</p>
<p>They have have diverted water from farmers because of a minnow !<br />
They will not drill off-shore, when oil is leaking from the ocean bottom.<br />
They will not cut the scrub out of forests to reduce the intensity of wild fires, that have plagued them for years.</p>
<p>The idiots are in control !</p>
<p>There is no common sense existing in the California government.<br />
The terminator has either conceded or he has bowed down to the liberal dominance thru pressure from the demoncratic party. (no misspelling), say Kennedys.</p>
<p>I would love to see Sarah Palin take on that debacle, however she is much more intelligent than that.<br />
With her knowledge of energy, business, governance, it would be amazing to see what she could do. Hey Reagan did it.</p>
<p>Great post,&#8230;always making us think.</p>
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