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	<title>Comments on: DOJ&#8217;s CIA Interrogation of Terrorists Investigation Goes Against Obama&#8217;s Promise to &#8216;Look Forward&#8217;: Full FOX Interview with Former VP Dick Cheney (3-part video)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding commentary, Lloyd... thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I believe your words of wisdom will touch many people.

God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding commentary, Lloyd&#8230; thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. I believe your words of wisdom will touch many people.</p>
<p>God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m old.  Therefore I&#039;ve watched it happen many times.  From Pearl Harbor to the Twin Towers, when this nation gets hit by the new bully on the international playground it&#039;s inclination is to first throw a tantrum and then go hit him back.  In the immediate aftermath, everyone is on board with unleashing the dogs of war.  Then as soon as the dogs bite someone the recriminations start.  War is nasty business.  Even when it becomes absolutely necessary, it is an evil thing.  It should never be undertaken lightly or as the first option but when it does become necessary, as it has more than a few times in our nation&#039;s history, it should be recognized for what it is.  it is the last, best desperate attempt of a nation, our nation, to retain it&#039;s sovereignty and protect it&#039;s citizens from continued aggression, disruption and death at the hand of some two bit despot or  an ideology that is totally different from our own.  

Thank God, in each of these historical conflicts, we have been able to field a class of young men who consider it a duty and privilege to defend and protect our country and our way of life.  Some of them put on our uniform and pick up their weapons and go to meet the enemy on the battlefield wherever that may be.  Others work in another uniform.  One that enables them to blend in rather than stand out.  They go right into the enemy&#039;s back yard and try to get inside his mind.  To accomplish their mission and come out alive, they sometimes are required to do things most of us wouldn&#039;t talk about in polite company.  They are not more or less important than the soldier in uniform they are simply necessary to win.  That is the whole point of war.  To win.  No one has ever had their hearts or mind changed because of war.  If anything, war serves to whet and sharpen those differences that started it in the first place.  

War is not an athletic  contest where there is always next year if you don&#039;t win today.  Had Germany won the second world war, today we would all be speaking German and reading articles in the daily paper about what a glorious thing it was to eradicate the Jews.  History would have condemned Eisenhower and Bradley as war criminals and on certain dates every year we would again see photographs of them hanging from a gallows. We do not experience these things simply because we won.  In some circles today, Harry Truman is believed to be a war criminal because he ordered the A-Bomb to be used against the homeland of Japan.  At the time he faced a fanatical enemy who would fight us to the last person, even if that person was a 12 year old school girl.  By using the Bomb he saved thousands of lives, both American and Japanese.  However, the Monday morning quarterbacks still like to believe it would have been more humane to slug it out for another half dozen years, leaving a bloody trail all across the Pacific killing more civilians, albeit one at a time instead of all at one time. 

So, the question is simple.  Do we want to win or do we want to just step aside and give our lands or freedoms and our futures to the next bully who shakes a saber in our direction?  Do we really believe that living under  totalitarian rule would be preferable to being thought of as &quot;bad people&quot; by a few ideologues?  I really don&#039;t think so.  Who does history always say had the moral right to act as they did?  Always the winner.  It&#039;s always the defeated who were wrong headed and evil.  If we intend to win then fight to win.  If we don&#039;t intend to win, then it&#039;s a good idea to measure your wrist and ankles.......for the shackle maker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m old.  Therefore I&#8217;ve watched it happen many times.  From Pearl Harbor to the Twin Towers, when this nation gets hit by the new bully on the international playground it&#8217;s inclination is to first throw a tantrum and then go hit him back.  In the immediate aftermath, everyone is on board with unleashing the dogs of war.  Then as soon as the dogs bite someone the recriminations start.  War is nasty business.  Even when it becomes absolutely necessary, it is an evil thing.  It should never be undertaken lightly or as the first option but when it does become necessary, as it has more than a few times in our nation&#8217;s history, it should be recognized for what it is.  it is the last, best desperate attempt of a nation, our nation, to retain it&#8217;s sovereignty and protect it&#8217;s citizens from continued aggression, disruption and death at the hand of some two bit despot or  an ideology that is totally different from our own.  </p>
<p>Thank God, in each of these historical conflicts, we have been able to field a class of young men who consider it a duty and privilege to defend and protect our country and our way of life.  Some of them put on our uniform and pick up their weapons and go to meet the enemy on the battlefield wherever that may be.  Others work in another uniform.  One that enables them to blend in rather than stand out.  They go right into the enemy&#8217;s back yard and try to get inside his mind.  To accomplish their mission and come out alive, they sometimes are required to do things most of us wouldn&#8217;t talk about in polite company.  They are not more or less important than the soldier in uniform they are simply necessary to win.  That is the whole point of war.  To win.  No one has ever had their hearts or mind changed because of war.  If anything, war serves to whet and sharpen those differences that started it in the first place.  </p>
<p>War is not an athletic  contest where there is always next year if you don&#8217;t win today.  Had Germany won the second world war, today we would all be speaking German and reading articles in the daily paper about what a glorious thing it was to eradicate the Jews.  History would have condemned Eisenhower and Bradley as war criminals and on certain dates every year we would again see photographs of them hanging from a gallows. We do not experience these things simply because we won.  In some circles today, Harry Truman is believed to be a war criminal because he ordered the A-Bomb to be used against the homeland of Japan.  At the time he faced a fanatical enemy who would fight us to the last person, even if that person was a 12 year old school girl.  By using the Bomb he saved thousands of lives, both American and Japanese.  However, the Monday morning quarterbacks still like to believe it would have been more humane to slug it out for another half dozen years, leaving a bloody trail all across the Pacific killing more civilians, albeit one at a time instead of all at one time. </p>
<p>So, the question is simple.  Do we want to win or do we want to just step aside and give our lands or freedoms and our futures to the next bully who shakes a saber in our direction?  Do we really believe that living under  totalitarian rule would be preferable to being thought of as &#8220;bad people&#8221; by a few ideologues?  I really don&#8217;t think so.  Who does history always say had the moral right to act as they did?  Always the winner.  It&#8217;s always the defeated who were wrong headed and evil.  If we intend to win then fight to win.  If we don&#8217;t intend to win, then it&#8217;s a good idea to measure your wrist and ankles&#8230;&#8230;.for the shackle maker.</p>
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