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	<title>Comments on: You Go, Girl! Christian Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean Sues Miss California Pageant Officials for Unlawful Firing, Religious Discrimination</title>
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		<description>I, too, am a Christian, and sadly, you&#039;re doing exactly what Jesus angrily decried those who wanted to stone Mary Magdelene. &quot;He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.&quot; (John 8:7, King James Translation)

I&#039;ve NEVER met a Christian who hasn&#039;t made mistakes, never met one who is perfect, never known one without sin. Jesus accepts all people who ask him to be their Savior... not just those who, by your definition, are somehow &quot;better&quot;, by YOUR definition. I&#039;ve known junkies, criminals, adulterers, liars, cheats, gossips, all who have turned to God, who have asked Jesus to enter their hearts and their lives... thankfully, God and Jesus forgave them for their sins, where you will not. How dare you judge Carrie Prejean, how un-Christian of you to call her a hypocrite. As a Christian, as you claim you are, you should know better that this is precisely what Jesus does NOT want us to do. 

As Christians, we all strive to be without sin like Jesus Christ, and we ALL woefully fall short. But daily, we strive again. If I have not coveted or lied or done anything else that displeases God at the end of a day, I&#039;m elated. But I know tomorrow will be different, I know that I will fall short. By your self-righteous definition, only those who have not erred or sinned can rightfully call themselves Christians, which is the antithesis of Jesus&#039; teachings.

I can excuse this, though, because I have many Christian friends who err all the time and judge others like you have. It is a human flaw, but one, with time, you should be able to rise above. 

However, here is where I get really angry... the Bible quote. You are misusing it. I don&#039;t know why you are misrepresenting it, and not including the lines that follow. It appears that you&#039;re being disingenuous, however. The passage you&#039;re quoting was written by Paul in a letter, whom I&#039;ve always felt did not represent Jesus and His teachings correctly. He was a very troubled man. Biblical scholars have determined that he had personal dragons of his own, he had what appears to be many mental problems. Also, you&#039;ve only taken one shortened line from the longer passage, which is preceded by how followers are suppose to dress and behave when they attend public prayer/worship events. PUBLIC PRAYER... not everyday life. And it was not ever uttered by Jesus.

The longer 1 Timothy 2:9-12 passage, from the New American Standard Bible and which differs from your version, reads:

&quot;Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.&quot;

Do I agree with or follow this passage? No, I do not. You are failing to acknowledge what were the cultural norms of 1 A.D. At the time, women were the property of men, they were treated about as well as dogs, and much of the writings of Paul reflect the misogynist culture of the time and locale.  &quot;Immodest dressing&quot; for women in 1 A.D. included exposed arms and exposed legs. Women were not allowed to have jobs outside the home nor own property, either. They had no legal rights. They were not to ever disagree with men. Totally chauvinistic and abusive period toward women. Another mandate of Paul&#039;s was that women were not to ever cut their hair. I would say 98 percent of Christian women today would not follow this passage you presented, either. Many women wear pearls to church. Many women wear wedding bands made of gold. Many women, through the centuries, have worn their hair in braids. This is not perversion.

Not agreeing with this Old World passage does not make us hypocritical Christians. You quoting it out of context, though, is deplorable.

I&#039;ve been unable to locate or substantiate your exact quotation on BibleGateway, so I do not know which version of the Bible you used, but I did find the shortened passage through Google on various websites. Strange that BibleGateway.com doesn&#039;t have it as you cited it, but a number of New Age-y blogs and websites do. You have truncated the passage, which reads fully on random websites thusly: &quot;In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing Godliness) with good works&quot;. None of the websites that quoted this biblical passage clarified that it is in reference to women attending public prayer nor that it was written by Paul, nor that instructions for men preceded it.

Regardless, you are either accidentally or deliberately misrepresenting the passage, twisting it to malign Prejean, and you equating her as a stripper or prostitute is ridiculous and deceitful, based solely on this one line in 1 Timothy 2:9. And, even if she was the most promiscuous, slutty woman on the face of the earth, whoring around like so many of Hollywood&#039;s pop tarts or the hookers in Nevada do, if she has accepted Christ as her Savior, He would accept her, sins and all. And yes, even then, she would be a Christian.

Calling Sean Hannity a hypocrite was not explained by you, but I don&#039;t think he was ever an underwear model. Hannity IS a Christian, and again, you judging him, calling him a hypocrite or anyone else as such, goes against the foundation of teachings of Jesus.

I don&#039;t doubt that you consider yourself a good Christian. I am not saying that you aren&#039;t, or that at least you make efforts to be. What I will say though is that you need to read the teachings of Jesus more thoroughly, stop casting stones, and worry more about living your own life as sin-free as possible. Attacking Carrie Prejean like you did for modeling underwear is not an act of Christianity. We aren&#039;t living in 1 A.D., nor are we of the Puritanical era or of the Amish persuasion. Times have changed, and the treatment of women and women&#039;s equality in this world has greatly improved over what it was back when Paul walked the earth. The female body is beautiful and not something to be ashamed about. 

I find it quite fascinating and curious that while homosexuality is considered a sin in so many religions, you did not attack gay celebrity basher Perez Hilton in any way. Perhaps it is easier to attack a Christian female for posing in an underwear ad by misusing a Bible passage than to comment on a vicious, spotlight-seeking, potty-mouthed, hate-mongering worm like Hilton who uses extremely foul language on his website to mock and attack Prejean and other Christians. Look in the mirror and see the true Christian hypocrite.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am a Christian, and sadly, you&#8217;re doing exactly what Jesus angrily decried those who wanted to stone Mary Magdelene. &#8220;He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.&#8221; (John 8:7, King James Translation)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve NEVER met a Christian who hasn&#8217;t made mistakes, never met one who is perfect, never known one without sin. Jesus accepts all people who ask him to be their Savior&#8230; not just those who, by your definition, are somehow &#8220;better&#8221;, by YOUR definition. I&#8217;ve known junkies, criminals, adulterers, liars, cheats, gossips, all who have turned to God, who have asked Jesus to enter their hearts and their lives&#8230; thankfully, God and Jesus forgave them for their sins, where you will not. How dare you judge Carrie Prejean, how un-Christian of you to call her a hypocrite. As a Christian, as you claim you are, you should know better that this is precisely what Jesus does NOT want us to do. </p>
<p>As Christians, we all strive to be without sin like Jesus Christ, and we ALL woefully fall short. But daily, we strive again. If I have not coveted or lied or done anything else that displeases God at the end of a day, I&#8217;m elated. But I know tomorrow will be different, I know that I will fall short. By your self-righteous definition, only those who have not erred or sinned can rightfully call themselves Christians, which is the antithesis of Jesus&#8217; teachings.</p>
<p>I can excuse this, though, because I have many Christian friends who err all the time and judge others like you have. It is a human flaw, but one, with time, you should be able to rise above. </p>
<p>However, here is where I get really angry&#8230; the Bible quote. You are misusing it. I don&#8217;t know why you are misrepresenting it, and not including the lines that follow. It appears that you&#8217;re being disingenuous, however. The passage you&#8217;re quoting was written by Paul in a letter, whom I&#8217;ve always felt did not represent Jesus and His teachings correctly. He was a very troubled man. Biblical scholars have determined that he had personal dragons of his own, he had what appears to be many mental problems. Also, you&#8217;ve only taken one shortened line from the longer passage, which is preceded by how followers are suppose to dress and behave when they attend public prayer/worship events. PUBLIC PRAYER&#8230; not everyday life. And it was not ever uttered by Jesus.</p>
<p>The longer 1 Timothy 2:9-12 passage, from the New American Standard Bible and which differs from your version, reads:</p>
<p>&#8220;Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do I agree with or follow this passage? No, I do not. You are failing to acknowledge what were the cultural norms of 1 A.D. At the time, women were the property of men, they were treated about as well as dogs, and much of the writings of Paul reflect the misogynist culture of the time and locale.  &#8220;Immodest dressing&#8221; for women in 1 A.D. included exposed arms and exposed legs. Women were not allowed to have jobs outside the home nor own property, either. They had no legal rights. They were not to ever disagree with men. Totally chauvinistic and abusive period toward women. Another mandate of Paul&#8217;s was that women were not to ever cut their hair. I would say 98 percent of Christian women today would not follow this passage you presented, either. Many women wear pearls to church. Many women wear wedding bands made of gold. Many women, through the centuries, have worn their hair in braids. This is not perversion.</p>
<p>Not agreeing with this Old World passage does not make us hypocritical Christians. You quoting it out of context, though, is deplorable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been unable to locate or substantiate your exact quotation on BibleGateway, so I do not know which version of the Bible you used, but I did find the shortened passage through Google on various websites. Strange that BibleGateway.com doesn&#8217;t have it as you cited it, but a number of New Age-y blogs and websites do. You have truncated the passage, which reads fully on random websites thusly: &#8220;In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing Godliness) with good works&#8221;. None of the websites that quoted this biblical passage clarified that it is in reference to women attending public prayer nor that it was written by Paul, nor that instructions for men preceded it.</p>
<p>Regardless, you are either accidentally or deliberately misrepresenting the passage, twisting it to malign Prejean, and you equating her as a stripper or prostitute is ridiculous and deceitful, based solely on this one line in 1 Timothy 2:9. And, even if she was the most promiscuous, slutty woman on the face of the earth, whoring around like so many of Hollywood&#8217;s pop tarts or the hookers in Nevada do, if she has accepted Christ as her Savior, He would accept her, sins and all. And yes, even then, she would be a Christian.</p>
<p>Calling Sean Hannity a hypocrite was not explained by you, but I don&#8217;t think he was ever an underwear model. Hannity IS a Christian, and again, you judging him, calling him a hypocrite or anyone else as such, goes against the foundation of teachings of Jesus.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that you consider yourself a good Christian. I am not saying that you aren&#8217;t, or that at least you make efforts to be. What I will say though is that you need to read the teachings of Jesus more thoroughly, stop casting stones, and worry more about living your own life as sin-free as possible. Attacking Carrie Prejean like you did for modeling underwear is not an act of Christianity. We aren&#8217;t living in 1 A.D., nor are we of the Puritanical era or of the Amish persuasion. Times have changed, and the treatment of women and women&#8217;s equality in this world has greatly improved over what it was back when Paul walked the earth. The female body is beautiful and not something to be ashamed about. </p>
<p>I find it quite fascinating and curious that while homosexuality is considered a sin in so many religions, you did not attack gay celebrity basher Perez Hilton in any way. Perhaps it is easier to attack a Christian female for posing in an underwear ad by misusing a Bible passage than to comment on a vicious, spotlight-seeking, potty-mouthed, hate-mongering worm like Hilton who uses extremely foul language on his website to mock and attack Prejean and other Christians. Look in the mirror and see the true Christian hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As both a fiscal and a social conservative, I must say that Prejean and Hannity are just as much hypocrites as the liberal left.  Prejean, a lingerie model parading herself in revealing attire -- you call that Christian?  You call that \family values?\  I call that perversion.  Christian women believe what the Bible says:  \In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety\
(1 Timothy 2:9).  Do you think Prejean&#039;s apparel qualifies as \modest?\  Do you think Prejean&#039;s come-hither poses qualify as \shamefacedness\?  A \Christian\ beauty pageant is just as much an oxymoron as a \Christian\ stripper or a \Christian\ prostitute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As both a fiscal and a social conservative, I must say that Prejean and Hannity are just as much hypocrites as the liberal left.  Prejean, a lingerie model parading herself in revealing attire &#8212; you call that Christian?  You call that \family values?\  I call that perversion.  Christian women believe what the Bible says:  \In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety\<br />
(1 Timothy 2:9).  Do you think Prejean&#8217;s apparel qualifies as \modest?\  Do you think Prejean&#8217;s come-hither poses qualify as \shamefacedness\?  A \Christian\ beauty pageant is just as much an oxymoron as a \Christian\ stripper or a \Christian\ prostitute.</p>
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