Deplorable: Four Elderly Georgia Men with Militia Arrested in Deadly Terrorist Plot with Potent Toxin Ricin
Posted By Vicki McClure Davidson on November 2, 2011
Not all the dangerous bad guys are from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Yemen.
Some are US citizens — some are even murderous grandpas in a radical militia group who are delusional in believing that they can “save America” by killing innocent Americans with a deadly toxin. Ricin, made from castor beans, is a potent biotoxin.
This makes them no better than Islamic terrorists who merrily kill people every day.
It could even make them far worse, because these men claim to be defending America with tactics that our founding fathers and all law-abiding, patriotic Americans — regardless of their religion, regardless of their race, regardless if they are conservative, liberal, or moderate — would find beyond despicable.
When they are found guilty in a court of law, I say lock them up and throw away the key.
These men, regardless of their motivations or their advanced age, are scum.
From New York Times, 4 Georgia Men Arrested in Terror Plot:
Four Georgia men who were part of a fringe militia group were arrested on Tuesday in what the Justice Department described as a plot to use guns, bombs and the toxin ricin to kill federal and state officials and spread terror.
The men, all aged 65 and over, were recorded telling an F.B.I. informant that they wanted to kill federal judges, Internal Revenue Service employees and agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to court documents.
“There is no way for us, as militiamen, to save this country, to save Georgia, without doing something that’s highly, highly illegal: murder,” one of those charged, Frederick Thomas, 73, of Cleveland, Ga., was recorded telling the informant.
“When it comes time to saving the Constitution, that means some people have got to die,” he said.
Another of the men, Samuel J. Crump, 68, of Toccoa, Ga., is accused of saying he wanted to make 10 pounds of ricin and disperse it in Atlanta and other cities, as well as loosing it from a car traveling on Interstate highways. Ricin, made from the castor bean, is a potent toxin, though it is not generally believed to be effective for killing large numbers of people.
The others arrested were Dan Roberts, 67, and Ray H. Adams, 65, both of Toccoa, the Justice Department said.
From Fox News, Home-Grown Bio-Terrorism Arrests Prevented Deadly Consequences:
Four men were arrested Tuesday by federal authorities and charged with plotting to make ricin and buy explosives to attack government officials.
The men – who are in their 60s and 70s – are part of a Georgia militia group who tried to get an unregistered explosive device and find the formula that makes ricin, according to a federal complaint.
Of all the biotoxins that terrorists use, ricin is one of the most concerning – even though you probably need a large quantity for significant population impact.
Ricin is naturally-made from castor beans, and even a small amount well-distributed to a single person could be deadly.
On the positive side, it’s not contagious and cannot be spread from person to person.However it can have a deadly effect once you get into direct contact with it.
The way this toxin works is that once it’s inside your body, it destroys cells by not allowing them to multiply and you have cellular death.
There are three ways you can get exposed to ricin. The first is direct skin contact, which is probably the least harmful effect and you would get a rash or burning sensation.
However the two most deadly ways of ricin poisoning is through inhalation or through your digestive tract.
In case of inhalation, usually within eight hours of exposure you will tend to have difficulty in breathing. This is due to the destruction of lung tissue that develops, and this will lead to fluid buildup in your lungs and ultimately will lead to death.
The only way to treat this inhalation poisoning is to seek medical help immediately, in which doctors will try to maintain air flow into your lungs, as well as keeping your body fluids in balance.
From ABC News, Four Elderly Georgia Men Charged In Terror Plot:
Four senior citizens will appear in front of a federal judge in Georgia today after telling undercover informants about plans to attack federal buildings with explosives and a biological toxin.
The men named in the charging documents, Frederick Thomas, 73, of Cleveland, Ga., and Toccoa, Ga., residents Dan Roberts, 67, Ray H. Adams, 65, and Samuel J. Crump, 68, were all members of a fringe militia organization, according to investigators.
They called themselves “the covert group,” and met several times throughout the year to discuss killing federal employees with rifles, explosives and ricin, a dangerous toxin that can be extracted from castor bean seeds using acetone and lye.
An undercover agent recorded several of the meetings, including one in April where Adams said, “The first ones that need to die is the ones in the government buildings.”
The former U.S. Department of Agriculture lab technician added, “When it comes down to it, I can kill somebody.”
Thomas was reportedly fascinated with the online novel “Absolved” which centers around a small group of citizens attacking federal employees.
“Now of course, that’s just fiction, but that’s a damn good idea,” he said during a March meeting recorded by an undercover investigator. He also laid out his “bucket list”: all of the government employees who should be “taken out.”
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Crump, who used to perform maintenance services at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, eventually told the undercover agent he wanted to make 10 pounds of ricin and “put it out in different cities at the same time: Washington, DC, maybe Newark, N.J., Atlanta, Ga., Jacksonville, Fla., New Orleans.”
Distributing the biological toxin was simple, he said, “All you got to do is lay it in the damn road, the cars are going to spread it.”
When making ricin, he advised the agent, the trick was “to know where the wind’s coming from. You can’t be … yonder and go down wind. That s**t’s going to follow you,” he said. “There’s no cure for it [ricin] once it gets into your lungs. You’re gone. You can kiss it goodbye.”
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A question here, from a land far-away, what is going on in the ‘Land of the Free’, that make apparently decent white-men, of a good background, and reasonably affluent decide that the political situation is so bad, that they have to ‘truck-bomb’ Federal buildings and decide to spread a deadly toxin, and THAT is what ricin is,
Never mind the platitudes by these media clowns, this ‘stuff’ is a deadly poison,
And is deadly with no ‘anti-toxin’ that works.
My question still is, what is the political-dynamo that is driving this dis-affection by an unknown number of American WHITE citizens.
DO YOU KNOW, is there an explanation
we know why moslems are killing and plotting to kill non-moslems all across the world, have a look at what the pakistani secret military intelligence is doing, killing White-European cultured warriors, while smiling and holding their hands out for Christian charity and aid,
but why are some Americans so convinced that violent action, is the only action that the US government listens to.
No, Bruce, I don’t know with any certainty why ANYONE wants to kill innocent people. The color of these men’s skin is inconsequential, since Caucasians/white people have been murdering others for centuries. A huge percentage of serial killers in the United States and Canada are white men, like Ted Bundy and Paul Kenneth Bernardo, some of whom are from middle class or better backgrounds.
Mental derangement, evil, greed, lust, envy – the motives for murder are varied. I think these men are scum who believed that they should take the law into their own hands and murder countless innocent people to propel their personal agenda. Scumbag psychos – precisely the same justification for murder that radical Muslims use when they murder innocent people.
What do YOU think? And murder is not exclusive of any race, any religion, or any nationality. Some nations deem murder as more contemptible than others, but murders occur everywhere.
These men may not have gone through with their plan — they may have just been “playing commando.” But that doesn’t take them off the hook even though no one was killed.
I have to wonder if the “plot” and “traces of Ricin” that were supposedly found weren’t something a Federal government that finds under fire for one scandal after another (as well as out-of-control unemployment and a continuing banking collapse) cooked up against a convenient target to distract an easily distracted populace from the real problems out there.
Then again, who hasn’t wanted to blow up a politician or two?